DiveIn: Diving into Special Education's Most Complex and Pressing Debates

Podcast by Federico R. Waitoller

DiveIn: Diving into Special Education's Most Complex and Pressing Debates

Join Dr. Federico Waitoller for DiveIn, the podcast that explores the most complex and pressing debates in Special Education. Sponsored by the Division of Research of the Council for Exceptional Children, this series tackles critical and timely topics, including current policy debates, instructional design, disciplinary disparities, school choice, workforce diversity, and funding disparities. DiveIn does not shy away from tough conversations. Through thought-provoking discussions with experts and changemakers, DiveIn will challenge your current perspectives and deepen your understanding, offering actionable insights to drive equity in special education teaching, research, and policy. Tune in and be part of the movement to transform special education through an equity-driven lens. Are you ready? Let's DiveIn!

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11 May 2026

DiveIn Miniserie Educational Segregation in Spain Ep. 3: The Causes

In this third episode of our DiveIn miniseries on school segregation in Spain, we move beyond the headlines and ask a difficult question: What actually causes school segregation in Spain and the Basque Country?

After following the grassroots movement pushing the issue into the Basque parliament, we now dive into the deeper structural forces shaping who attends which schools—and why. Through conversations with leading researchers and policy experts, this episode unpacks the complex web behind segregation: publicly funded private schools (escuelas concertadas), school choice policies, hidden fees, language politics, middle-class flight, and cultural barriers facing immigrant families.

You’ll hear how Spain’s dual school system creates powerful incentives for social sorting, but also why the story is far more complicated than simply blaming private-public partnerships. Experts challenge simplistic explanations and reveal how segregation is increasingly happening within school networks—including inside public schools themselves.

This episode also explores one of the most fascinating and politically sensitive issues in the Basque Country: language as a mechanism of segregation. Can bilingual and Euskera immersion programs unintentionally separate students along class and immigration lines? And how do schools created as symbols of cultural resistance become part of a system producing inequality?

Along the way, Federico connects these debates to the United States, comparing Spain’s segregation patterns with the long history of housing discrimination, school choice, charter schools, and white flight in the U.S.

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07 May 2026

The Disproportionality Series Final Episode: A Conversation with Alfredo Artiles

In the final episode of DiveIn’s Disproportionality Series, host Federico Waitoller welcomes back Alfredo Artiles—one of the leading scholars in the field and the very first guest ever featured on the podcast.

Drawing on more than three decades of research, Dr. Artiles challenges listeners to rethink disproportionality beyond simplistic debates about over- and underrepresentation in special education. Instead, he invites us to examine the historical, cultural, political, and institutional forces that shape how disability, race, and educational opportunity intersect.

This conversation explores:

Why disproportionality cannot be understood outside of history and context
The limitations of current research and policy approaches
How race, disability, and inequity become intertwined through institutional practices
The “equity paradox” of special education as both a site of support and exclusion
What next-generation research and policy on disproportionality could look like

Throughout the episode, Dr. Artiles offers powerful examples, provocative critiques, and hopeful possibilities for reimagining teaching, learning, and advocacy for students with disabilities.

Whether you are a researcher, educator, policymaker, student, or advocate, this episode offers a deeply reflective and intellectually engaging conclusion to one of DiveIn’s most important series to date.

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30 April 2026

Educational Segregation in Spain (Divein Miniserie). Part 2: Gathering Signatures and Finding Support

In this second episode of our DiveIn miniseries on school segregation in Spain, the story moves from idea to action.

After introducing the grassroots initiative in the Basque Country, we now follow the organizers as they take a bold step: bringing school segregation to the political stage. What does it take to turn concern into change? In this episode, you’ll hear how activists mobilized parents, school leaders, and policymakers to gather thousands of signatures and spark a national conversation.

But advocacy alone isn’t enough—data becomes their most powerful tool. Through compelling visualizations and creative use of available data, the team exposes stark inequalities between public schools and publicly funded private schools (concertadas). The patterns are hard to ignore: differences in who attends which schools reveal deep divides shaped by class, migration, and history.

Along the way, we zoom out to understand how Spain compares globally—and why the Basque Country presents a unique and complex case. From language politics to the legacy of ikastolas, schools born as resistance under dictatorship but now entangled in new forms of inequality, this episode uncovers the contradictions at the heart of the system.

And just when momentum builds, tensions emerge. Not everyone agrees on the problem—or the solution.

Will the movement gain enough support to reach parliament?

And what happens when equity efforts collide with history, identity, and politics?

🎙️ Tune in to hear how a grassroots campaign grows into a political force—and why the fight against school segregation is far more complicated than it seems.

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT

Report Mentioned in the Story: Educación y segregación escolar en Euskadi

** This miniseries was originally produced for the Midwest and Plains Equity Assistance Center

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24 April 2026

Educational Segregation in Spain (Divein Miniserie). Part 1: A Legislative Initiative Begins

In this episode, we bring to you a new miniseries. Host Federico Waitoller takes listeners on a journey to the Basque Country in Spain, where an initiative aimed at combating school segregation has been set into motion. The miniseries delves into the legislative efforts undertaken by local activists Sabin and Gonzalo to bring ethnic and class segregation into the public debate. Experts discuss the historical context of Spain's dual education system, born out of the Franco regime, and how public and publicly funded private schools coexist. This episode sets the stage for understanding a complex issue with modern implications.

Episode Transcript

** This miniseries was originally produced for the Midwest and Plains Equity Assistance Center

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08 March 2026

The Disproportionality Series Part 3: A Conversation with Donna Ford

In this podcast episode, Federico Waitoller interviews Dr. Donna Ford, a distinguished professor in gifted and talented education, to discuss the underrepresentation of Black and Latinx students in these programs. Dr. Ford highlights the pervasive issue of disproportionality, drawing attention to systemic biases ingrained in policies and educational practices. The conversation delves into the root causes and explores the differences in state policies that contribute to the disparities. Dr. Ford emphasizes the need for greater accountability and the importance of addressing both implicit and explicit biases to achieve equity in educational opportunities.

Transcript of Episode

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03 February 2026

The Disproportionality Series Part 2: A Conversation with Rachel Fish

In the 10th episode of Dive In’s third season, host Federico Waitoller continues with the disproportionality series. In this show, he explores the complex issue of disproportionality in special education with sociologist Rachel Fish. Fish discusses her research on how racial and linguistic minorities are disproportionately represented, examining the roles of structural racism and social constructs in this disparity. The conversation highlights different perspectives and methodologies, including both qualitative and quantitative research, to better understand this multifaceted issue. By considering factors like educational inequity and subjective diagnoses, the episode offers a nuanced take on how schools contribute to and perpetuate inequalities in special education settings.

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